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Post by DonZ on Nov 20, 2013 20:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by skyship on Nov 21, 2013 20:51:09 GMT -5
DonZ, Many of us already use what you presented here. Niacin can cause rashes. Even though these things are herbal they are still dangerous. Many people would never make it through this protocol. Morgellons is not co infection with Lymes. There are many with Morgellons who do not have Lymes Disease. Lumping them together can be a big mistake.. Morgellons has not fully been evaluated. The telechelic polymers are not lymes borrelia. These have signal points charged on the ends for purposes of controlling the protein system in the body. Have you read what Carnicom found? You are missing the elements of Morgellons and they are not BB or co infection of Lymes. I have had this for 22 years and there are inorganic substances made of polymers, thiophene and other elements using amino acids, unnatural amino acids, not found in human body. You say one has to take on an artificial immune system, that is the problem with Morgellons, most or part is synthetic. No amount of the ingredients you listed will deal with those. These are signalling elements, these are protein management entities. Proteins make RNA and DNA, so if the immune system has to become artificial to deal with these artificial elements, you must have the right frequencies to pull this off. Faraday cages will not work as has been discovered. The upping of the ante, or charges changes this, and this is very controlled, both by remote and signal. These can be turned on and off, depending on the signal, wireless energy. So, please be careful when you say you cured Morgellons and Lymes. Until you know the elements causing Morgellons, you cannot treat what it is. You may be well, but that is the Lymes treatment and it is different for Morgellons, because of the synthetics involved and the chemical reactions from these synthetics. What you may have found is a long term herbal treatment of Lymes as Dr. Klinghardt has found. www.klinghardtacademy.com/Protocols/Lyme-Disease.htmlThank you for putting your protocol out there. It will help many with the Lymes co infection and may tease the Morgellons a bit as well, so thank you again for all your hard work. But, please stay on top of it, and if you begin to feel the symptoms again, you have a protocol that you know works for you and may help many others as well. Much appreciated and for those with Lymes, it may be a life saver, even if parts of the protocol are used. Having used some of the products you mention, it has helped with allergens I have had. So, there is much in this protocol that may help many of us. Skyship
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Post by DonZ on Nov 22, 2013 3:50:15 GMT -5
Whatever you say. I can see why you've had it for 22 years.
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Post by DonZ on Nov 22, 2013 22:29:31 GMT -5
I decided to come back here and present my perspective of what drove my hypothesis governing the protocol creation.
Crown Gall disease in plants is a transgenic disease induced by Agrobacterium. The Agrobacterium finds a wound on the plant to enter and then infects the cells by Horizontal Gene Transfer. A Eukaryote is any organism whose cells contain a nucleus. Prokaryotic cells don’t have a nucleus and these are bacteria. Prokaryotic cells use Horizontal Gene Transfer normally amongst themselves to reproduce. However there is only one bacteria and a couple viruses that are capable of Horizontal Gene Transfer from a Prokaryotic cell into Eukaryotic cells. That is to transfer genes from a bacteria into say, a person. Agrobacterium is naturally occurring and because of the unique ability of Horizontal Gene Transfer it is selected as the gene transfer method of choice.
When Agrobacterium undergoes a gene splicing operation they will splice a T-section of DNA into the Agrobacterium DNA. The end product results in a bacteria that can transfer gene’s from other organisms into our own Eukaryotic cells. The T-DNA section to be inserted in the plasmid has different components, it uses a gene marker so that the research scientist can see those markers under a microscope as reference points, it uses a cauliflower virus as an excellerator to keep it turned on, it uses another gene as a stop sign to tell it when to stop the Horizontal Gene Transfer.
Pointedly the gene used as a marker gene is the gene for Violacein production. This is the gene expression that you see when you see transgenic glow in the dark animals that they are now producing. Violacein is produced by a gene from Chromobacterium Violaceum. The Chromobacterium Violaceum is a species of equatorial region marine bacteria. That bacteria, Chromobacterium Violaceum, has the gene for Violcein so it can navigate in deep water due to the glow. Violcein production is ALSO used by the bacteria as a defense mechanism because it is a poison.
Violcein is poison to the immune system. It kills the human immune system if attacked by the immune system then those immune system cells die.
So now when the Agrobacterium has undergone the gene splicing procedure and holds the gene as a marker gene then the Violacein will also kill the human immune system. As listed in Wiki Agrobacterium is an opportunistic infection in only humans with a compromised immune system. Once infected a person would still be a carrier although perhaps not symptomatic.
Agrobacterium causing Crown Gall in plants shows creating a callous like material in the plant in a gall shape that sequester bacterial concentrations. This newly created genetic callus material is what we see in Morgellons presentations as the litte hard debris that come from lesions and pos out of other areas on the skin. The Goldenhead is actually a genetically induced concentration of this material. The fibers are keratinized cells, like your toenails, that also have a high collagen content. The fibers grow because of a transgenic structure using our bodies building materials. They usually grow out of areas where the genetically produced callus material has infected.
Acrobacterium with T-DNA has yielded a bacteria ,when infected with, will kill any attack against it with Violacien, and use it’s natural ability of Horizontal Gene Transfer to readily transfer whatever source DNA was spliced into the plasmid.
These are my conclusions. Morgellons Disease is a human manifestation of Crown Gall Disease with an unknown genetic variant. If we can map that genome we might be able to trace the source.
There are many components in the protocol that attack the genetically produced callus material. That material also has a high bacterial content and it was previously hard to attack because of durability. The high content of organic acids, amino acids, phenolic compounds, antioxidants and antibiotic components in the herbs cause a dramatic synergistic effect resulting in an aggressive attack on the genetically produced callus material you have in spots under your skin.
That's the short version~ Don
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Post by DonZ on Dec 4, 2013 10:55:57 GMT -5
18 months ago I was suicidal because the spectre of a life with MD, that's real not drama. Obviously there are other opinions but everything I did and experienced fit the working model I described in this thread. MD is not so complex and intangible as to be undefeatable , that takes away hope. It can be conquered.
I live in Colorado but this week I'm in Huntington Beach catching some beach time and doing all the touristy things. Life is good, once again.
~d
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Post by kritters on Dec 7, 2013 19:31:38 GMT -5
Hi Don, and welcome to this forum! I'm the layperson here with no scientific education or knowledge.
Can you tell me what you think your symptoms were of Morgellons vs Lyme disease? I have Lyme (still have it because it was not diagnosed in the beginning of my troubles when it should have been) and believe it stays in your system whether active or dormant forever unless wiped out right away.
I'm not really sure if I do, in fact, have "Morgellons" and I've mentioned this before. But the fibers I have pulled out of my lesions under the scope tell me I do. I don't have insect parts or hexograms/pentograms/crystals (not too sure about the crystals since there are lots of glitter pieces I've found on my skin for no reason but that might be something entirely different).
Sky knows I have implicated Lyme disease as well as Candida Albicans and herpes viruses in this mix, but that is only from my connecting my own dots, which are not scientific at all. Since I only have the fiber bundles, I attribute them to fungus, but I think it's all in the mix together with whatever Morgellons is, which is why it is so difficult to treat. Lyme is highly undiagnosed because of the diagnosis protocol and people who think they don't have it really do have it.
In any case, I think you are a good addition to this forum and maybe between you and Sky, Lil Sis and others we might possibly make some collective headway in nailing this thing if we work together. Sky et al have done so much research on Morgellons, I'd call them pretty much expert in what the 'synthetic' or non-organic aspects of this are, but I might be using the inappropriate technical terms for it.
So before I go any further, I hope you will tell me exactly what it is that makes you think you have (had) Morgellons. I'd like to know how you see Lyme and Morgellons as being connected.
Best,
Kritters
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Post by kritters on Dec 7, 2013 19:46:02 GMT -5
Sky,
quote from Klinghardt:
"...The new kid on the block is Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb), and some of us have looked at it for a long time as possibly being the bug that opens the door for all the other infections to enter the system. Lyme disease has become a buzz word in the alternative medical field. Since none of the recommended treatments are specific to either one of the microbes, we can never assume that we really know what we treated once a patient has recovered..."
I'm wondering if Lyme doesn't open the door for other infections, but has been designed to either work in conjunction along with one or the other of those bacteria, fungi, viruses, or is actually bio-engineered from dna of all or some of them.
How can he say we can't know what microbe is treated once a patient is recovered. There are certainly ways of isolating protocols for each one of them, which can be done on an individual basis, don't you think?
My humble and uneducated opinion at this point is that Morgellons is engineered and created by splicing these other microbes together and releasing them into blood sucking insects of all kinds for different purposes. All kinds of franken bugs are being released on us. And I do think agrobacterium plays a HUGE role, if not the actual source and method of release, whether we eat the produce or get bitten by the bugs that fed from the soil the agrobacterium holds.
Kritts
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Post by DonZ on Dec 8, 2013 18:44:28 GMT -5
Hi kritters,
My morgellons symptoms were lesions with protruding fibers. I also found a little trick to bring out some fuzz balls, when i rubbed ben gay on the top of my feet then a large amount of these tiny tightly wound fuzz balls popped out. I also had these "black specks" , especially in the webs of fingers and toes but when looking at them with 100x magnification they weren't specks they were actgually tightly wound fiber balls. As well some of my toenails turned black. The fibers are keratanized cells and so are your toenails so i suspect the transgenic DNA was controlling both of those. There were movements under my skin as well.
All the info I've read points toward agrobacterium Ti. with a T-DNA section in the plasmid that has a gene for will turning off the immune system and also causing the fibers.
Something to think about; Bovine digital dermititis is MD in cattle. They get it around their hoof area from standing in soil that has been farmed with GMO crops. It's systemically inside them also but doesn't show because of their hair and they are sent to market young @ 2-1/2 y.o. so it doesn't have time to develop.
Because of pathogenic symbiosis you need to treat all microbes, bacteria -viruses- fungi- parasitic protozoa -mycoplasma, at the same time.
If you read and use the protocol you will experience something similar as is described.
Take Care
~d
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Post by DonZ on Dec 8, 2013 18:50:08 GMT -5
To me "Lyme" is a generic term. When you look at the possible number of strains and how utterly inadequate any testing is the LLMD's give a "clinical diagnosis". So you can't really know what you are infected with but whatever you are infected with you can count on the pathogens working together in symbiosis, it's just what they do.
I think a "clean slate " approach is the best way to proceed.
~d
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Post by kritters on Dec 8, 2013 18:53:19 GMT -5
Hey Don,
I don't have any toenail problems at all, nor webs between my digits. i don't doubt agrobacterium at all.
I posted at length today on my "'Kritters random thoughts" thread.
I don't think you are wrong about BDD and I've posted about it before.
my guess is that the webs in between fingers and toes are fungus.
So, what fibers that you had do you think are Morgellons, and why?
Thanks,
Kritters
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Post by kritters on Dec 8, 2013 18:56:15 GMT -5
To me "Lyme" is a generic term. When you look at the possible number of strains and how utterly inadequate any testing is the LLMD's give a "clinical diagnosis". So you can't really know what you are infected with but whatever you are infected with you can count on the pathogens working together in symbiosis, it's just what they do. I think a "clean slate " approach is the best way to proceed. ~d not a bad idea
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Post by kritters on Dec 8, 2013 18:58:48 GMT -5
"...Because of pathogenic symbiosis you need to treat all microbes, bacteria -viruses- fungi- parasitic protozoa -mycoplasma, at the same time..."
totally agree
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Post by DonZ on Dec 9, 2013 5:26:25 GMT -5
Kritters; When I was researching this I read a lot of material. Klinghardt has some good info but he also goes the way of all the other prominent "LLMD's" , they have a supermarket full of stuff for sale on their sites or are book writing machines. Klinghardt even sells IR saunas last time I checked, what's next?, featured used car of the day? My point is assessing their priorities. If you want a good idea about the relevance of testing then the youtube vids from Dr. Alan MacDonald are good. He's not an "LLMD" so to me he gets more cred. www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tESJVvM88www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RATCS-3v9Qwww.youtube.com/watch?v=FEjNMlNM3l8This is something that I think is fundamental to approaching this problem, Dr. Schaller has asserted that Borrelia should be considered a co-infection to Bartonella because it is more common, more invasive and more detrimental. I agree and I would also say that considering that there are hundreds of Bartonella Like Organisms that are potentially pathogenic AND that Agrobacterium is so closely related to Bartonella that Agrobacterium is essentially a BLO on steroids. Taking into consideration the transgenic pathogenic upgrades that Ag has received then you've got quite a monster on your hands, or whatever hybrid BLO has taken on those abilities through DNA exchange. As for the Fungus issue The "Black Specks " are keratinized cells however Fungal DNA through DNA exchange may be the driving force for growth in that genome. I don't have the tools available to map a genome but I will tell you that the work I was made aware of done by the CEHF isn't worthy of talking about. I'm just a guy theorizing with a laptop and adjusting the theories to fit the working model as new evidence trumped old. The working model I finally arrived at fit my recovery perfectly.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 9, 2013 5:29:52 GMT -5
Btw; Bart hides under the edges of your endothelial cells , they line everything in your body. So Bart, BLO's, Ag, is hard to get rid of. You have to direct the treatment strategically as I have done.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 10, 2013 4:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by DonZ on Dec 10, 2013 5:27:08 GMT -5
My main focus was treating the cause instead of trying to treat symptoms. DNA is causing MD. This DNA is not normal as is readily appreciated. So how to fix the DNA? Looking at Cancer then Cancer is the result of a readjustment of cellular DNA. This readjustment is caused because DNA responds substantially to it's environment, it is also alive. Environmental toxins or toxins excreted by pathogens or radiation exposure can cause a readjustment of cellular DNA and this results in free cell proliferation of mutated cells, Cancer. Geneticists used to think that DNA was set until the mid 80's or so and then the world of genetics changed dramatically as the concept of the "Fluid Genome" was accepted. This can be found in the work of thought leaders in the field of genetics like Dr. Mae-Wan Ho. "Living with the Fluid Genome" www.amazon.com/Living-Fluid-Genome-Inside-Science/dp/0954492307Since DNA responds to it's environment and the environment in your body has been dramatically changed by a transgenic pathogen then the first thing to do is to change that environment back by killing those pathogens and removing all the toxins they generated. In the case of MD this becomes more difficult because the Agrobacterium produce a callous like material that sequesters the bacteria. This callous material is analogous to the callous material that Agrobacterium grows is plants as a manifestation of Crown Gall Disease.It is the yellowish Morgellons debris. This debris sequesters these pathogens under lesions and in various locations in the body. To break down the MD debris you need organic acids at a certain concentration for a certain duration. Once you get to the point where you have removed everything from your body that caused the MD in the first place you are left with a DNA question. The question is, will the DNA changes created by the infection cause reinfection? No, not as long as you promote a healthy environment in your body. Because of the fluid Genome DNA will revert t a healthy state and a bioavailable zinc supplement is used in the protocol to help promote this. "Zinc deficiency, DNA damage and cancer risk." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15542347"Zinc is known to be an essential component of DNA-binding proteins with zinc fingers, as well as copper/zinc superoxide dismutase and several proteins involved in DNA repair." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15542347Remove all the pathogens to stop the pathogenic virulence, remove all the toxins that influence DNA structure, repair the DNA as much as possible. There are unknowns but it is easy to keep them suppressed moving forward, if they exist, and have a completely Normal life. It is all addressed in the protocol.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 10, 2013 5:37:21 GMT -5
When I say moving forward I don't mean you have to stay on the protocol for the rest of your life. Two items only are required, Moringa and Sangre de Drago and these are discussed in detail in the protocol. They are cheap and would help anyone, having had MD or not, to have a much healthier lifestyle.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 10, 2013 6:49:24 GMT -5
So lets really look at these "unknowns" I mentioned. When a gene splicing operation has been performed on the plasmid of naturally occurring Agrobacterium then they use Ag because of it's unique abilities for Horizontal gene transfer into Eukaryotic cells. The T-DNA section of the plasmid is the inserted section with the chosen genes for transfer. In that T section they use a gene marker, Violacein production gene. They also use a gene from a Cauliflower Mosaic Virus as an accelerator, the accelerator gene keeps the T-DNA section turned on so that the plasmid does not reject it, in other words it is not inherently stable and this is important. There is also a gene to stop the operation of HGT. DNA is alive and when the pathogens that contain the transgenic DNA are killed the DNA also fragments. Some researchers have asserted that DNA remnants from pathogenic destruction are actually the start of Mycoplasma infections. In the right environment DNA plus nutrition equals life. DNA is alive so you can kill it too. The beauty of using plant medicines is that millions of years of evolution has allowed the constituents to be intelligently selective, no on really knows how this works but it does. They can identify pathogenic DNA and kill it. Something used in the protocol is cinnamon because cinnamaldahyde has been shown very effective in Vitro to kill Mycoplasma. Mycoplasma is said by some to be the smallest bacteria and it would be since it was born from only a DNA remnant. Cinnamon kills mycoplasma DNA. biomed.papers.upol.cz/getrevsrc.php?identification=public&mag=bio&raid=323&type=fin&ver=6These types of strategies used in the protocol diminish the chances of survival of the MD causative DNA. Since a viral gene is used as an accelerator then many antivirals are also used. Personally I don't think there is any chance of survival of the MD causative DNA with proper use of the protocol but as I said, I'm just a guy with a laptop. Plants as pharmacists; I took this and pushed it to it's practical limits and covered every known issue. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLoECIrhYq0~d
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Post by DonZ on Dec 10, 2013 10:49:28 GMT -5
Not to say that the research from the CEHF hasn't yielded some good results. f1000research.com/articles/2-25/v1"Similarities were found between MD and bovine digital dermatitis (BDD), a disease common in dairy herds and characterized by keratin filament formation in skin lesions that frequently occur above the hind feet of cows3,4. Chronic BDD lesions demonstrate proliferation of long keratin filaments, and microscopic examination of histological sections from this tissue has revealed the presence of various Treponema spp. among enlarged keratinocytes throughout the stratum spinosum and dermal papillae5–9." My theory is that since these animals are grazed on land that is frequently crop rotated then that grazing arae was contaminated by Agrobacterium Ti exposure. As well the feed produced as a GMO could be suspect. f1000research.com/articles/2-118/v1"Figure 5. A "black speck" removed from the skin in Morgellons disease is red and magnified 500x." If you look at the picture you'll see that the "black speck" is actually a fiber bundle and the fibers have been established as keratanized cells with a collagen content. Keratanized cells are what your toenails are made of. It's not really important what the vector is to understand the phenomenon.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 11, 2013 12:18:54 GMT -5
It be should be clear by now that I am no fan of synthetic antibiotics, not only because of the developed resistance but also because they are extremely stable molecules and make it into the environment where they destroy the natural balance. Plant medicines are "smart" and have no adverse effect on the environment or your body. They do the same thing discussed in this article. www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/244435.php"Antibiotics Kill Bacteria By Damaging Their DNA" Is DNA alive? can it be "killed" in a sense Yes. Like dropping your TV off a roof , your not going to put that back together. Some would suggest that DNA functions electrically instead of chemically. Going back to the "Fluid Genome" then pathogenic Deoxyribonucleic acid when placed in an environment where it is impossible to grow or thrive in any way will be detoxed from the body as any toxin would. The body has great potential fro sequestering toxins however and this is largely due to inflammation caused by those toxins. The Sangre de Drago used in the protocol is the most powerful antioxidant in the world, in it's natural state it is 90% pycnogenol. It's use causes detox of toxins including pathogenic DNA.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 11, 2013 12:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by DonZ on Dec 11, 2013 12:34:55 GMT -5
As plant medicines have shown themselves to be inherently intelligent in killing pathogenic microbes and not harming good ones, likely through DNA identification, then I would assert that this relatively unexplored ability also extends to identifying and "killing" the MD pathogens DNA. As well setting up an environment where it will be detoxed.
The research on this needs to be expanded exponentially.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 11, 2013 12:38:23 GMT -5
That is the case I am making here. Try it , you'll like it.
tootleoo
~d
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Post by kritters on Dec 11, 2013 19:27:17 GMT -5
Don,
That is an amazing amount of information for some "guy with a laptop" LOL
I remember about 20 years ago, there was a man who introduced me to pycnogenol, although I didn't know anything about how it is connected in the body. I knew it was supposedly a great antioxidant, but that was it. Now, of course, I have more of a better base of nutritional knowledge and will look into your protocol.
If you read my last post on "Kritters random thoughts", you will see that I really have no background in any of this, but I am free of symptoms I think might have been MD, although not sure, because of my diet.
I hope you will hang around here and offer anything you feel appropriate in any of the posts.
Thanks for your protocol and explanation of it all.
Kritters
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Post by DonZ on Dec 13, 2013 13:36:34 GMT -5
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Post by kritters on Dec 15, 2013 11:21:06 GMT -5
Don,
I am putting this aside to digest it when I can take the time to really get into it. What caught my eye was this:
"...The most affected regions are California, Texas and Florida. Despite the suggestion that victims seem to have worked with soil or gardening (and must have come in contact with Agrobacterium that way), the two major occupations of Morgellons victims are nurses and teachers. Urban areas have more cases than rural areas. There have been confirmed cases in cats, dogs and horses. By all parameters, Morgellons is already pandemic...."
I've been wondering about the reason for Cal, Texas and Fla all along, but never found any answers. My thinking was the water table, but if it was found in Urban rather than Rural areas, and nurses and teachers the main people with Morgellons, this adds clues. I'm thinking old plumbing in schools and hospitals (in the water system, incorporating mold.) Or vaccines (even though EVERYONE IN ALL AREAS are getting vaccines, maybe only those in mold infested plumbing areas are affected) . I wonder why school children or hospital patients aren't mentioned, but maybe it's the vocation itself that they are focusing on. Why teachers and nurses? Because they stand out in these environments and have the intelligence to know something is up, therefore speaking out? Certainly the patients and children have Morgellons also. Hospital food, school lunches? Probably far fetched. Water sounds most plausable to me.
Thanks so much for this link.
Kritts
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Post by DonZ on Dec 20, 2013 13:40:30 GMT -5
www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/13/12/p4164479/charles-e-holman-foundation-launches-fundraising-campaign-to-raise-10-0“The goal of the next phase of the project is to further analyze the infectious agents in skin samples of Morgellons patients, which were previously identified by DNA-PCR and a novel whole genome sequencing technology,” said Cheryl Bandoski. A graduate student of Dr. Sapi's, Ms. Bandoski gave a presentation based on the project's first phase at the ILADS conference in San Diego last October. The phase 2-research proposal will contribute to mounting core evidence attesting Morgellons is contracted through infectious agents and, further, illuminating the exact nature of the pathogens involved." Well my vote is for a gram negative rod shaped bacteria from the Rhizobiales order. This would be a good place to put that $10 or $20 bucks extra you have floating around this Christmas.
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Post by RA on Dec 20, 2013 21:32:16 GMT -5
Hi, Has anyone tried to treat it by smothering it with petroleum jelly (like you would with lice) for an extended period of time (like 3 days)? I feel like since it is a parasite (probably) that treating it like very hardy chiggers would work. It's worth a shot anyway.
RA
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Post by DonZ on Dec 21, 2013 7:10:29 GMT -5
That might work if you could inject the petroleum jelly into your bone marrow.
Saying it is a "Parasite" is just a convenienient word to help people conceptualize what is happening but there is no evidence that could be considered to be contextual in a pratical framework that indicates that. All the credible evidence suggests that it is a bacterial infection.
There are a lot of theories and unfortunately there is a psychiatric element to MD that feeds these "theories". If you want something that is "worth a shot" then do the synergy protocol that I posted at the beginning of this thread becuase it not only is worth a shot, moreover it works. It will heal you.
The protocol posted at the beginning of this thread works to remove the MD bacteria and the symbiotic co-infections from the body. It works.
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Post by DonZ on Dec 28, 2013 11:31:23 GMT -5
When I mentioned the psychiatric element that is because these gram negative baterial infections like Bart/BLO/Ag are intracellular. They get inside the red blood cells and the Blood Brain barrier doesn't protect the brain from that. So now the brain is infected and the infection releases a lot of neurotoxins right in the brain.
Cilantro is one thing used is the protocol that crosses the blood brain barrier quickly and binds to toxins so they can be moved out of the brain.
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