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Post by lostintime on Jan 24, 2014 17:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by skyship on Jan 24, 2014 22:58:08 GMT -5
They refuse to talk to us old timers. I do not know why. We have sent emails and are rebuffed. It is a selective group. Does not include the masses, Carnicom and many others who have dug further for free on our own. Even DonZ had to "kick em in the butt"...... Like it is~! The presenters at the conference are varied as we are. Much is not presented to the public. So, to ask for donations from us, who they will not work with, and who are ignored, I suggest we fund Carnicom's new lab. This is just my opinion. No one else's. carnicominstitute.org/skyship
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Post by lostintime on Jan 25, 2014 3:59:29 GMT -5
Sky it’s the old timers that have gotten us where we are today, nowhere. I have heard the “Old timers” ramble on about all kinds of theory as if they have some special enlightenment on this disease. I’ve had morgellons disease for eight years and in my opinion I don’t care if you’ve had it twenty years or got it yesterday it really doesn’t matter. Personally I could care less about the Holman foundation or lyme disease but I know there is a bunch that do. I hope you are aware that Cindy Casey has nothing to do with what’s being done at OSU and her foundation has completely drifted away from morgellons and has gone headlong into the lyme world under the direction of Dr Stricker. I do feel OSU is backing up professor Wymore and have met with him a couple of times. I don’t think he has a secret agenda and comes across to me as a sincere person. I believe he wants to get to the truth no matter what the outcome. Carnicom's nothing more then a profiteer but if you want to send him your money go ahead. Look, I became disabled from morgellons disease. I lost a great job, a house, a wife and lost the life I used to enjoy. I will probably die with this disease. I find no enjoyment reading posts on theory’s about this and that. If you want real answers then ante up. If you don’t want to suffer the rest of your life then do something other then speculating on the Internet and get involved. I send $25 a month out of my disability check each month. Yeah I know it’s not much but I do it. You know the old saying “If you don’t vote then don’t complain”, well if you don’t donate just keep suffering.
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Post by skyship on Jan 25, 2014 5:07:13 GMT -5
Lost in time,
Yes, it matters greatly how long we have had this, because we had the initial implications, we are overcoming some of this by using natural products, not eating MSG, aspartame, and artificial foods.
this is not theory here, I am proving that the papers show what these biochemists, and biotechnological people have done. What you suffer is more from the nano links.
Read the stuff, many are too lazy to read what has been done. You have to understand what has been done in these fields to even get a clue as to what we have.
I am pointing out the flaw in the biotech world. And that the future is not what we can see presently. But, check out any med school. What are the studying?
Carnicom is not a profiteer, he had very little to live on. Please you expect us to follow Casey and the Lymes link. Morgellons is not Lymes. I agree with you there.
Carnicom got a Japanese lab to look at specimens since they will not do it here. Wymore is at a University, he cannot solicit funds from the public. The CEHF has stuck to the Lyme/Morgellon connection and it is not true. They are not one and the same.
I have studied every avenue of this creation called Morgellons. It was created in a lab, period~! It has alternate functions, and we are finding them.
Since we have had this a long time, we now see changes, they are being broken up, but they are still oligomers. In their own words, these people have a different agenda than common folk. But, they have injured the human race~!
Why when people don't agree with some people, do you attack the person. Sounds like the dribble from Washington.
I agree Wymore is very kind hearted, but, that is not all to his story. He works for Academia which is govt run. He can only get grants for university work, we know that. As long as his lab is on campus, he cannot solicit. Unless the rules have changed.
Carnicom has got humanitarian approval from the NIH. This is a beginning and the man has not given up. When he saw the blood of a nine year old boy with bumps all over the cell, you can believe it had an effect on him. This was a child~! time is running out for many of us, and we are doing everything we can to expose the triangle, of academia/industry/military endeavors that are controlling the biological world.
In the meantime we have many who have protocols, that cure some symptoms, these are natural. We are not waiting for the govt or academia to tell us their lies. Do you not know that the govt is corrupt? I think they have been put on notice and now are admitting some of the lies, still trying to cover for the damage done.
Yet, it is out there, there are now a large group of skeptics who have found the errors, yet, many afraid to even mention them. So, this is bigger than what Wymore and gang can do. Theirs is only a theory, not proven as well.
Skyship
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Post by lostintime on Jan 25, 2014 23:39:10 GMT -5
Hi Skyship, I'm not attacking you and your certainly entitled to your opinions. It is obvious you’re a fan of Clifford Carnicom and his Chemtrail theory. Next time you met with him why don’t you ask why he doesn’t use his real name? The biggest issue I have with him is he is not qualified to do the research he wants other people to pay for. You stated “Wymore is at a University, he cannot solicit funds from the public.” So I would like to know if you are from the United States? I ask this question because all Universities and institutions of higher learning have always solicited funds from the private sector. OSU has raised over a billion dollars in private donations with their current campaign.
Let me try to clarify any misunderstanding you might have of me. I only encourage people to fund research conducted at accredited universities. I personally would not advise people to send money to the CEHF but Cindy has vowed to send the funds to Professor Sapi at the University of New Haven. I do not support Lyme doctors and have a very dim view of how that platform is run. Universities Yes…Individuals No.
Universities are in high competition with each other and it is less likely for them to put out false information.
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Post by skyship on Jan 26, 2014 13:19:57 GMT -5
No, I know about the University giving, and you can designate what department you want to give to.
This is a special fund though? I am not familiar with that, but do wonder if anything is coming out of there? We have heard nothing. I just want to know what I am funding and where the money goes. I am like that with any funding.
Then again,this whole Morgellon thing has taken so many turns with who is doing what.
Carnicom does not use his real name? Wow. I am in the dark. I have not funded him, he does not talk to us old timers either, but, do believe he has gained some headway. I hope Wymore can get there, too. The more the better, that way these studies can be compared and we can wakeup the NIH to fund more of them.
No one can get any footing. So, he (Wymore) is qualified to set up the studies, I have never doubted that, but, again, it all is about money and funding for these studies. I know he has folks there that can do a lot, if given time and money to do so. I think the forensics test should be done again, and of course that would take money. I think he needs to put out a newsletter so we know what is going on. Would be helpful to us old timers, here. We have been patient, but, we are running out of faith in some folks, who are not on the ball.
Wymore has the equipment and I do know at one time he wanted to set up a Clinic for Morgellons Patients. I believe he still wants to do that. That would be great if he can pull it off. If he can utilize the tools at OSU and other departments, if allowed to, then he could really kick some studies out.
So, yes I agree that if more of us could help out in this manner, but, at the same time keep us informed of progress would be a good thing. I think that has been our goal all along.
Thank you for pointing that out. Sometimes us old timers just get tired, and we act out like little children because we can't get our way. We just want to be normal.
There is so much of this that should be studied by Universities. There should be multiple studies.
Take care and thanks for informing us of this fund. If the CEHF sends funds to Sapi group, that is another study that deserves attention, too.
Skyship
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Post by lostintime on Jan 26, 2014 23:06:45 GMT -5
I agree with you there Skyship, anything is possible with enough money. Man has enough science to do just about anything you can think of. This is going to take millions of dollars and the only way we will get that is through grant money. I also think Professor Wymore is much further along then you think. I too wish we could get a progress report or at least some statement from Randy once in a while but when you need to request millions of dollars from the federal government you keep your cards a little close to the vest. I look at it like this, a cure or a treatment management plan would be great. To improve the quality of life would be great. To gain recognition despite being labeled as delusional…priceless. I’ve lost eight years of my life, but I know I don’t want to leave this earth without some payback. For that I need recognition. For that I will send a few bucks a month. www.osugiving.com/sslpage.aspx?pid=433&fid=LmtDSDolKgg%3d&fdesc=4bLa2Caw7xyUzNlQpNXaVcyflYssus4gGzStQiZ1mfIqcTsEqJDzUg%3d%3d
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