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Post by beammeup on Feb 4, 2010 17:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by aqt on Feb 4, 2010 18:18:37 GMT -5
I proposed that plague viruses also interact with their hosts in a more subtle way, through symbiosis, with important implications for the evolution of their hosts. www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527451.200-i-virus-why-youre-only-half-human.htmlThis concept of genetic symbiosis is crucial to answering our question about the origin of the human genome, because it also applies to viruses and their hosts. Viruses are obligate parasites. They can only reproduce within the cells of their host, so their life cycle involves forming an intimate partnership. Thus, according to de Bary's definition, virus-host interactions are symbiotic aqt
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Post by skyship on Feb 4, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
Viruses were left out.....but that is what made the mutations in the genes. When they began the transformation, in 1978, as Carnicom said, that is when the first phages came out, which are viral related.
great link. The big fight over origins of life where between Margulis and Woese.
Woese said 3 kingdoms of life, while Margulis said 5.
Woese, there is a universal ancestral origin, while symbiosis was Margulis's claim.
However, work from Here, says that Woese was looking for intermediates, I believe, and that is what we have in us, an intermediate between organismal cells, in otherwords the mitochondria, the organelle and the neuron itself, is supposed to have been derived from organisms. How small can you go, this lives inside this and this lives in side that
The spiral, from nano to human........ molecular level, walks right in.
Yeast is conserved from one celled to multicelled, man.
What is the common denominator? that links us all to symbiosis of the earth?
I think both are wrong, but, there was a purpose in mind, and that was to create evolution, itself, first organic evolution, fill in the gaps, then molecular evolution, then nano evolution.
Before molecular could take off, Woese had to find the LUCA, last universal common ancestor.
Helllllllllooooooooooooo,,,,, it all came from outer space................
so the lie, is creating evolution, to fit the paradigm of evolutionary theory.
These creatures arose when they landed, remember they were extremophiles then.
they were still hot. the organisms in the meteorites where still living. then........
they came out of the clay, the dust of the earth, which was former galactic life.
remnants of life from other planets made up earth.
Origin is dna, amino acids, prions, melanin from outer space.
Now to say that nanno bacteria can grow? If the temperature is right, it will
thermo related........ under earths mantle............extremophiles.......... lava.....life.
Illuminated lie of the origin of life.
There is a filament of life and a spark of life, both chemical reaction and organic reaction.
Chemical origin.There is organic chemistry and inorganic chemistry.
Then there is physics.
It is like peeling an onion.
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Post by skyship on Feb 5, 2010 0:13:15 GMT -5
"The New [human] Genre — Primo Posthuman" Changing Values. Affected by this state of progress, human nature is at a crossroads. The bonds that tie us to nature’s biological ancient, accidental design are rapidly dissolving. We are questioning our human biology and challenging what it means to be biological. Aristotle set a precedent in describing the human as a rational "animal" subject to change, "natural things are some or all of them subject to change." [Aristotle, 350 B.C.E.] The original nature of man, which was shaped by the genome, is being replaced by biotechnological maxims. As human biology changes, human values change. Assessing the technologies and sciences available to us today, we can identify possible myths, symbols and stories that represent our ever-changing nature and, as inevitable to our species, wrap them around the image of ourselves—the human form. The mythic Icarus tested his limits in an exhilarated winged-flight to the sun but suffered the consequences. [Bulfinch, 1998] Yet, mythic stories of man overcoming his limits are becoming a reality. Today people question the desirability of allowing the infiltration of technology into the human body and whether to restrict or encourage futuristic views and technological innovations. As a contested location of technologically enhanced humans, the new body will be a lightening rod for today’s futurists. Classical, Cyborg and Transcendent Images. As a predominant theme in art, the human form is currently expressed in three different image-based styles: the classical image, the cyborg, and the transcendent entity. The classical image which is based in the Greek and Roman classic artistic renderings and sculpture symbolizes stasis in human nature. An example is the early classical period’s "Kritios Boy" [Unknown, 490-80 B.C.] which exemplifies the ideality of physical perfection and defeating all odds. Further examples of classical ideals span centuries of the arts, from Rembrandt’s subtle portrayal of human emotions, and later to Warhol’s brilliantly colorful larger than life images. Most recently in science fiction, 23rd and 24th Century images look like humans surrounded by high technology. The stasis is keenly apparent in Star Trek characters that still grow old, develop rounded bellies, and balding scalps. However, regardless of the medium or method, the classical image remains depicted as human. Beyond the human form, the stylized cyborg combines the ideal of perfection with the machine, coined Manfred E. Clynes and Nathan S. Kline as a foremost human mythic archetype, comprised of robotics and electronics for survival in extraterrestrial environments. www.natasha.cc/paper.htm ubiquitin? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubiquitin_ligaseanaphase: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphase-promoting_complexskyship
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