My intention being out here has always been to find help for myself and in that process to hopefully help others. I am not totally self-serving, I do care about other people and their plight and have tried to look at this from many view points and leave behind something helpful.
"The risk of psoriasis was related to smoking, the adjusted odds ratio (OR) being 2.07 (P < 0.01), and there is a graded positive association between the risk of psoriasis and intensity or duration of smoking.
CONCLUSION : Our study suggested that the combined effect between HLA-Cw6 and cigarette smoking or stressful life events may play an important role in the development of psoriasis vulgaris in Han Chinese population."
I wonder how many of us have this HLA-Cw6 genetic thing happening?
"The active chemical found in Oregon grape root is berberine. This plant alkaloid, according to the medical journal Alternative Medicine Review, has been clinically proven to show significant anti- microbial properties. It kills parasites, bacteria, viruses, and other microorganisms."
You are so right that the thorn appears after the white plaque, not psoriasis forms. Doc saw plaque on me. This is called whatever the docs want. But, related to alz of brain, is on skin. What you show is exactly right, and you describe it perfectly, many have not gotten to these stages yet, and it will either devastate them, empower them to find a treatment, or make them mad as hell. The telechelic polymers and nanowires are found all over these organisms. I have been able to pull many out, and they are painful, but usually found at end of healing lesion. They are part membrane, part thorn, part wormlike with protrusions that are mycelia or root like, have a foot attaches to bone, muscle and at junctions in body.. I call them the "thorny headed worms with eggs" which even have beginning wires or artificial flagella coming out of them. the telechelic polymers are the connectors. They are charged on ends and can stretch making the black fibers.
They eventually form colored fibers once the melanin or black matter from inside is either eaten or destroyed. These I think are the new synthetic cells. They are programmed and synthetic colors are in the beginning monomers. They are putting them in pharma products. Also, PREDNISONE causes blood cell to disappear. My cousin was on it for 5 years and lost all blood cells, had to get transfusions. Was caused by use of Prednisone. She passed away this year, could no longer make blood cells.
Stay away from all pharma unless you want to be synthetic human being. There are many natural products that will heal it in same amount of time as will pharma, some even quicker. So, please read the ingredients as to what is in the pharma product, and ask pharmacists if you have to take a drug, what are the interactions and risks~!
If psiariasis related use: MG217:Medicated Tar Ointment. Has coal tar in it. This will help pull out the nanofilaments. If at stage where plaque is forming, keep soft cover with wraps. Get pads and put this on pad, then cover with qauze. If pain it will subside in short amount of time, Vicks can be added for pain relief or anbesol with the ointment. This is a suggestion only, not medical advice. If other issues involved then a doctor would be necessary.
Also, fullerenes are made from coal soot, volcano soot. Not just any soot. They are called kerogens. Fullerenes are in the particles that self assemble forming the strands and the networks.
However the organism carrying them or being formed by them, the guiding fibers, could be the self assembling cells and Intermediate filaments or "cell snakes" as some have called them.
"Building the blueprint of life. Henry C, Overbeek R, Stevens RL. Source
Mathematics and Computer Science Department, Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, IL, USA. firstname.lastname@example.org Abstract
With recent breakthroughs in experimental microbiology making it possible to synthesize and implant an entire genome to create a living cell, the challenge of constructing a working blueprint for the first truly minimal synthetic organism is more important than ever. Here we review the significant progress made in the design and creation of a minimal organism. We discuss how comparative genomes, gene essentiality data, naturally small genomes, and metabolic modeling are all being applied to produce a catalogue of the biological functions essential for life. We compare the minimal gene sets from three published sources with functions identified in 13 existing gene essentiality datasets. We examine how genome-scale metabolic models have been applied to design a minimal metabolism for growth in simple and complex media. Additionally, we survey the progress of efforts to construct a minimal organism, either through implementation of combinatorial deletions in Bacillus subtilis and Escherichia coli or through the synthesis and implantation of synthetic genomes."........
This is the only thing I can think of that could form these organism, that are out of hand. They continue to grow, replicate and attach to one another, from what I am seeing. I am deeply studying the organism.
These are some of my latest finds in the massive lesion, once they turn pink, then white, under this encapsulation are the real organisms.
Images of organism under the calcified or calloused skin lesion:
Creation of a bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome. Gibson DG, Glass JI, Lartigue C, Noskov VN, Chuang RY, Algire MA, Benders GA, Montague MG, Ma L, Moodie MM, Merryman C, Vashee S, Krishnakumar R, Assad-Garcia N, Andrews-Pfannkoch C, Denisova EA, Young L, Qi ZQ, Segall-Shapiro TH, Calvey CH, Parmar PP, Hutchison CA 3rd, Smith HO, Venter JC. Source
The J. Craig Venter Institute, 9704 Medical Center Drive, Rockville, MD 20850, USA. Abstract
We report the design, synthesis, and assembly of the 1.08-mega-base pair Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0 genome starting from digitized genome sequence information and its transplantation into a M. capricolum recipient cell to create new M. mycoides cells that are controlled only by the synthetic chromosome. The only DNA in the cells is the designed synthetic DNA sequence, including "watermark" sequences and other designed gene deletions and polymorphisms, and mutations acquired during the building process. The new cells have expected phenotypic properties and are capable of continuous self-replication. Comment in
"The ultimate aim was to attain an evolvable hybrid cell in a complex microscale programmable environment. The functions of the Omega Machine could then be removed stepwise, posing a series of solvable evolution challenges to the artificial cell chemistry. The project achieved chemical integration up to the level of pairs of the three core functions of artificial cells (a genetic subsystem, a containment system and a metabolic system), and generated novel spatially resolved programmable microfluidic environments for the integration of containment and genetic amplification."Programmable Artificial Cell Evolution" (PACE) The project led to the creation of the European center for living technology which is now continuing similar research.
Following this research, in 2007, John McCaskill proposed to concentrate on an electronically complemented artificial cell, called the Electronic Chemical Cell. The key idea was to use a massively parallel array of electrodes coupled to locally dedicated electronic circuitry, in a two-dimensional thin film, to complement emerging chemical cellular functionality. Local electronic information defining the electrode switching and sensing circuits could serve as an electronic genome, complementing the molecular sequential information in the emerging protocols. A research proposal was successful with the European Commission and an international team of scientists partially overlapping with the PACE consortium commenced work 2008-2012 on the project Electronic Chemical Cells. The project demonstrated among other things that electronically controlled local transport of specific sequences could be used as an artificial spatial control system for the genetic proliferation of future artificial cells, and that core processes of metabolism could be delivered by suitably coated electrode arrays.
The major limitation of this approach, apart from the initial difficulties in mastering microscale electrochemistry and electrokinetics, is that the electronic system is interconnected as a rigid non-autonomous piece of macroscopic hardware. In 2011, McCaskill proposed to invert the geometry of electronics and chemistry : instead of placing chemicals in an active electronic medium, to place microscopic autonomous electronics in a chemical medium. He organized a project to tackle a third generation of Electronic Artificial Cells at the 100 µm scale that could self-assemble from two half-cells "lablets" to enclose an internal chemical space, and function with the aid of active electronics powered by the medium they are immersed in. Such cells can copy both their electronic and chemical contents and will be capable of evolution within the constraints provided by their special pre-synthesized microscopic building blocks. In Sep 2012 work commenced on this project Microscale Chemically Reactive Electronic Agents."..........
"Protocell research has created controversy and opposing opinions, including critics of the vague definition of "artificial life". The creation of a basic unit of life is the most pressing ethical concern, although the most widespread worry about protocells is their potential threat to human health and the environment through uncontrolled replication."..........
McCaskill's group has extensive experience in innovative EU project leadership in Future Emerging Technologies and will coordinate this project. The research group's role will concentrate on the integration of microfluidic and electronic processing with DNA activation.
The overall aim of the BioMIP group is to develop novel forms of constructive information processing systems based on the core principles of living systems. We see future chemistry as becoming microscopically programmable and future IT as, like biology, dealing increasingly with real world ongoing fabrication and repair of functional systems.
Electronic micro-and nanosystems provide controlled and programmable environments for studying and optimizing such systems, and so our research is also forging a link between the three rapidly expanding technologies: Information Technology (IT), Biotechnology (BT) and Nanotechnology (NT).
BioMIP is a guest group in the Chemistry and Biochemistry Faculty of the Ruhr University Bochum. Key senior scientists and engineers involved are Uwe Tangen, Patrick Wagler and Thomas Maeke.
The main previous and ongoing projects directly relevant to this initiative are
Thank you Sky for your loving concern and I tend to agree to stay away from doctors only because I've had such bad experiences with them, however - as you can see, I am becoming way too 'involved'. I wish I had known about the Oregon grape root before, that might have helped. Also, I have not tried the coal tar ointment you mentioned, that I will try soon or maybe a combination of both of these? The Oregon grape root docks into the DNA somehow (more research needs to be looked at in this regard), so this would be an internal and external treatment at the same time.
I changed brands of bottled drinking water during this past month to one with less calcium/mag - lower chloride, lower sulfate and sodium. What this water has that no other water has is: silicic acid.
** Silicic acid has the ability to reduce aluminum uptake in the digestive system, used against Alzheimer's and stimulate collagen synthesis. Also, strengthens the hair has a positive effect on skin surface and skin mechanical properties... zeolites (look up), used in detoxing. I'm pretty sure you don't have this brand of water there but Kat suggested that one might stir some silicic acid powder into their drinking water.
I know you, Sky and others here are heads and shoulders above me in research knowledge of pathogens, chemistry, etc. and I am considered "sweet" :-) (thanks, Kat :-)
But I'm sticking to my guns here. I have been focusing all MY research on one thing in particular for about 6 years now, and that is Candida and how it affects other conditions in the body, and secondly Lyme disease and its possible conjunctive role.
Each and every time I have a hunch about a connection I am correct. There is no doubt in my mind that you have a Candida overload. That gel is nothing but a steroid cream stopping the process which has begun inside your body and working its way out. The rashes under your boobs and everywhere else are unmistakably Candida. Absolutely NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. And if you continue to eat sugar and carbs of any kind while this is happening, only a steroid will be bandaiding it. One day I will study steroids but that will be only when I have nothing better to do, but I do know they are not good in ANY case for long term use.
My belief from everything I have read is that Cancer is also caused by Candida. I understand that there are people who will dispute this and ridicule it but since I read Dr. Simoncini's book I have seen more and more entries on the web supporting it. What does cancer do? It multiplies cells rapidly. In fact, I'm surprised your doctor didn't tell you that your ears are cancerous. Chemo kills all cells that grow rapidly. Like skin cells. Gee, I wonder why they focus on rapidly growing cells? Tough decision. It's also VERY WELL known now that sugar is the worst thing for cancer, yet doctors still tell their patients it's okay, thereby hastening the ultimate death of the patient.
Okay, so this is my last post on this to you. I hope you decide to really look into this. Your skin condition is coming from the inside, not from something that jumped on your skin and proliferated. It very well might be combined with another pathogen, but candida is the culprit that is causing all the problems. Do the spit test I think I mentioned as a very basic indicator, but you definitely have disseminated Candiasis as far as I'm concerned. And if you had Lyme disease, I know this is a really bad combo.
I hate to be basic and trite here, but the caffein in coffee in itself will trigger the palps and sweating. Then of course, the sweating brings out the candida (psoriasis) rash. I found out that I have hypothyroid because of Lyme (probably the candida connection no doubt) and even my cardiologist said so. I RARELY get palps now that I cut out any stimulus and keep inflammation down and cut out msg and anything that could POSSIBLY have it (salad dressings at restaurants etc) I'm very particular about what I eat and never eat sugar.
Love you and Kat and best of luck. I'm including some quick links I pulled up in a hurry.
Whoa! Kritts. I'm sorry that my relay from Kat saying that you are 'sweet' that she thought you were meaning well took that turn with you... It wasn't meant as condescending in any way. You've always been considered an equal, your posts have always had something to offer and are very intelligently written. I understand your theories and think you're pretty much right on. (I just have this irritating way about me that I SEEM to ignore others posts by not responding to what they think or leave. I already know where you're coming from with your candida/herpes/lyme combination and assume you know that I know.)
I JUST had a candida gyn lab test done and it was negative... as you can see that I am eaten up with what looks like candida but the lab tests - 2 biopsies on my elbow, as an example, candida is not reported - no fungus at all is reported to be there. The skin doctor, by looking only, says everything is the same on me. So, if the ear and elbow are not candida, then - under the breast (according to what is known so far) cannot be either. The ear is a viral alteration, that is all I know at this time and not sure which viruses yet. Is candida wrapped up in the viruses?... is candida being excluded from lab testing because we all have it?...
Do you remember on the LB thread when that 'fungal' lab got involved and several of us sent in our specimens to see which fungi we all had in common? Kat and I both sent saliva samples, Kat was the only one - of all of us - that came back as candida. Where is the 'natural' candida that should be in my mouth, why didn't it show up? I haven't done the spit test yet because I am not a real human anymore, I don't even have candida in my mouth at all - according to the LB lab company...
I've had 4 biopsies on my ear and "cancer" it is not, even though the cells are multiplying at a ridiculous rate!!! (cells quickly multiplying is not considered cancer!!! : - ACCORDING TO the lab reports.
And you know the 'blob' sphere that we all show in common, it's in most everything, it could be candida for all we know? It has never been identified. "Blob sphere" photo below, (feel free to use any of my photos anyone - you only have to pay me something if you write a best seller ):
Basically, what I personally think is happening (lol - I have to laugh at myself because everything about this disease is so weird) is that the labs are relying on machines to tell them what's what and the machines can spit out or eliminate "whatever" to not give doctors enough or the right information. And the doctors are taught to read the lab results to diagnose, ergo: GIGO (garbage in - garbage out).
I just ate the 2nd half of a bag of chocolate covered raisins and some musli cookies as a late night snack, had some sweet lemon drink with dinner... my god... I just gave up milk and bread... lol (someone please - just shoot me...)
Yes, I know the medicine is just masking the cause. I have 'grits' coming out of every pour all over my body... this has to be attacked internally at the same time. I just need a place to journal what I'm doing, share my thoughts and experiences, I have possibly over-stepped my boundaries by encroaching with too much information and wordiness here, I went back and edited the last pages posts to stay within the theme of this thread. I really didn't want to create a new thread, I'm sick and don't have the energy for that.
I'm not quite ready for an anti-candida diet, but I will do the spit test soon though.
When you awake in the morning, before you put anything into your mouth, work up some saliva and spit it into a clear glass of water. Within 1-30 minutes, look in the glass. If there are strings coming down from your saliva, or if the water turned cloudy, or if your saliva sank to the bottom, YOU MAY HAVE A CANDIDA CONCERN!
Healthy saliva will simply float on the top!"
Interesting link about the pythium fungus being put on the skin... I'd try most anything about now.
oh I forgot. take your temp first thing in the morning, before you even blink an eyelash. Put the thermometer under your arm. I've no doubt that it will be low. THAT my friend, tells you that you have hypo thyroid.
adding a p.s.. don't use baby powder. Use baking soda.
I forgot to post on this temperature thing. ALL OF US with this disease are running a sub-fever of approximately 1 degrees, that was in our case study. IMO, that 1 degree of temperature is what is driving the perpetual motion disease machine inside of us through thermal dynamics. (I used to be a 98.6, I am now a 97.6 person and I just had a thyroid blood test done - it was normal.)
I did the first morning's candida spit test this morning. No strings, no going to the bottom, no cloudy water - just floaters - this is after about 40 minutes:
Geez Louise, you have an over-abundance of candida and I may not have any at all... hmmmm. Shaking my head - maybe I don't have enough healthy candida to do its skin job, maybe mine is wrapped up with something else? IF this is true what we have in common is our candida is out of balance, one way or the other.
thanks for answering so quickly :-) I'm not upset about the "sweet" thing :-) and I really appreciate the very nice things you said.
Here's a quick link: www.candidamd.com/candida/doctors.html ".....There are no reliable lab tests to diagnose Candida. Because yeast invade tissues of the body and actually form branches among and around cells (rather than floating around loosely in the blood or other areas), culture tests, tissue collections and blood or urine tests are not accurate enough to gauge the extent of disease Candida may be causing. However, because the symptoms and signs of Candida are predictable, one can fairly accurately determine if a person has Candida overgrowth by using the lists of tell-tale risk factors and symptoms listed above. Medical professionals use this same type of approach — called “clinical diagnosis” — to diagnosis illnesses such as migraine headaches, Parkinson’s disease, depression and many other illnesses for which there is no single definitive lab test...."
I don't believe there ARE accurate candida overload tests. Candida can hide all over the place and may not be present in your saliva at the time you do the spit test. Try doing it again and be sure not to brush your teeth or drink water even (I'm sure you know that). I also do not trust that doctors aren't deliberately dismissing candida since they don't know anything about it. I have a friend who is a nurse practitioner with a masters degree, over 20 years experience and she didn't know anything about Candida other than it exists in your body anyway :-(
I didn't mean to imply that your ears are cancerous or that rapidly growing cells indicate that they are. I knew I didn't say that well, but was ina hurry. :-( But if you're serious about thinking it should be amputated, something's wrong. It's not getting blood supply, prolly, because of all the cell buildup. I'd put some tea tree oil and organic virgin cold pressed coconut oil on it.
Kam, if you continue to eat sugar, you will not heal. Sorry to be so arrogant and self-sure when I'm not a professional, but then again the professionals don't even KNOW what causes psoriasis or cancer or morgellons or ANYTHING. All they know how to do is give steroids for it. I once looked up every auto-immune disease there is and each and every one of them stated that they don't know what causes it, don't have a cure for it, but they sure did have a medication for it to block the symptoms. You may not want to do the candida cleanse diet, and I understand it. Neither do I. but if you keep feeding the candida it will continue to multiply.
If the ear and elbow are not Candida, under the breast still can be. they don't look the same to me rash-wise. Fungal situations are very complex. I also think HERPES is playing a HUGE roll here. The virus is SO NOT understood and I believe it underlies many conditions. Do you have heavy metals in your system? Iron, Mercury? If you do, you will never get rid of the candida or herpes (there are over 50 types of herpes and I happen to believe many are man-made).
Okay, well that's about it from my end, girlfriend. but you can take that advice on sugar to the bank. I hope you get well really soon.
"Incidence of Candida in psoriasis – a study on the fungal flora of psoriatic patients
Summary. The presence of Candida albicans and other Candida species in saliva and faeces of 50 psoriatic patients compared with a control group of 50 healthy donors was examined quantitatively. The quantity of Candida in saliva and faeces of the psoriatics proved to be significantly higher than in the controls. Candida was detected in 78% of the saliva samples of the psoriatics but in only 50% of the controls, and in the faeces samples in 72% of the psoriatics, but in only 46% of the controls. Qualitative analysis revealed a predominance of Candida albicans (saliva, 77%; faeces, 64%) and Candida rugosa (saliva, 28%; faeces, 28%). We did not find a correlation between the severity of the psoriasis according to the Psoriasis Area and Severity Index and the amount of Candida in the saliva or in the faeces.
Our results reinforce the hypothesis that C. albicans is one of the triggers to both exacerbation and persistence of psoriasis. We propose that in psoriatics with a significant quantity of Candida in faeces, an antifungal treatment should be considered as an adjuvant treatment of psoriasis."
"Fungal flora of human faeces in psoriasis and atopic dermatitis.
"Faeces samples taken from 343 patients with psoriasis and 581 patients with atopic dermatitis were subjected to mycological examination. Yeasts were detected in 68% of the psoriatics and in 70% of the patients with atopic dermatitis but in only 54% of the controls (n = 50). Qualitative analysis revealed a predominance of Candida albicans. Non-pathogenic yeasts constituted only 1% in each of these groups. Of the hyphomycetes, Geotrichum candidum occurred in 22% of the psoriatics, in 10% of the atopic dermatitis patients and in 3% of the controls. Aspergillus species were found in 1% of the patients but not in the controls."
About the same time the skulls came in. So what is prominent for them to infiltrate us?
Your talk of candida and psoriasis, and our talk of fungi and dark matter which is in fungi and so on. In fact prions and fungi especially podospora anserina are the "evolutionary capacitors" The Heat shock proteins which form filaments.
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On the N.I.H. rare disease pages for 1Q42 there was a Morgellons warning paragraph saying if you or someone you love has Morgellons report it to the C.D.C.
This warning paragraph was on only a few of the appr. 1500 rare disease pages put out by the N.I.H.
Someone on the Lymebusters board called the C.D.C. and they removed those report Morgellons paragraphs right away , they aid it was a mistake but it was really a suspicious one.
The HOOK we see all the time I have pics of my 'stuff' that start out looking normal and end up with hooks
This is use full I am sure
Morgellons reminds me of when I was young and I learned to sew.
First you pick out a pattern of what you wish it to look like...only now it is called a template from biology.
Then you pick out the material you wish to make it out of according to its need or function, like cotton for comfort or wool for warmth or nylon for water resistance but in Morgellons it is the molecular wire or transistor function material that they are after. You may use a certain coating for adhesion or a coating for penetration.
What material do they want the template/pattern to be made from.
Synthetic biology is a mixture of stuff already created naturally by God and then mixed with remixes made by man to achieve new best use functions for skin hair= radio control human machine interfacing.ect....
I remember pulling cotton like stuff from skin years back, it is awful. Doesn't hurt so much, but is like another layer of somethng that does not belong there, I do wonder about the larvae of the cotton worm.
the mixture of bacterias, fungi, yeast and insect parts is well known in Morgellons along with retinoid X.
These are from Archaeans.
The flagellas are from the organism, yet it has the power to create webs, filaments and the spheres are like the eggs of this replicator.
Heat, signals ( electric, light, radio etc) signal the growth and replication of these eggs. I believe. but is the egg totally natural, mixed, created-invented etc? Yes.
Peptides look like coiled worms, telechelic polymers have charged ends which connect the matrix.
Oh yeah, I forgot my chin. It's been there for a long time, it's a place where I had some 'mystery' stitches, it got cut and needed some. I say 'mystery' stitches because I was at a university hospital and who knows what 'stitching material' (polymerized goat skin) experiment they came up with to sew me back together with 30 years ago. From reading some of the patents, ain't a'bit a'tellin' what they used?
The peroxide has to have the salt mixed with it, IMO, to work well enough, the little astards hate salt.
Thank you...was trying to just use peroxide! Had them back in 2007-08, been good til 2 days ago...I moved to another older part of town/apartments. Back then, we were merely surviving as there were not more members. Glad to see it picked up, and Carnicom's research has gone far (Cliff).
I have three huge boils - 2 on face, one on neck. They are all trapped up in my swollen feet. Soak in Borax still?? THEY CAN'T BEAT ME! I WILL BEAT IT - AGAIN!!!! PEACE.
The filaments of spirochete periplasmic flagella (PFs) have a unique structure and protein composition. In most spirochetes, the PFs consist of a core of at least three related proteins (FlaB1, FlaB2, and FlaB3) and a sheath of FlaA protein. The functions of these filament proteins remain unknown. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2519375/figure/f3/ PFs consist of three parts: basal body, hook, and filament.
Pull out a eyebrow hair, gray hair. Sticks to mirror, has a hook or bulb at end..
Very good report to be read. Please read above folks. According to Carnicoms latest revelations with help from a foreign lab, the elements are being brought forth, one of them is the one mentioned above.
The protein rebuilding and they do know the functions, but do you think they will tell us?
The protein is used for a purpose and the experts know this. Carnicom was able to isolate by lab the elemental compounds causing "iron disruption, Amino acid present, protein rebuilding, acidity, oxidative stress, thyroid and metabolism issue, halogen toxicity, substitution concerns, joint and skeletal integrity and elasticity, blood and cellular integrity, and potential neural disruptions".......From
very long video, but maybe more of you can pick up things I missed: 6 or 7 elements and more at the beginning of the reports were studied: these are Amines Carboxylic acids Aromatics substituted alkenes and alkanes Aldehydes Phenols Alkyl hallides
Love and thanks Dlmomaz. It is the flagella machine, gone molecular, gone nano. All these elements seem to be involved, each a study unto its own.
My thoughts are not that alien bacteria created this mutation. That is a diversion for idiots. These were recombinant DNA and made by human evil scientists in a bio- lab.
A genetics bioweapon's lab.
So concerned about overpopulation. There is plenty of land, it is now in hands of UN UNESCO...... No more open land for settlers. All national parks, controlled by "gubberment" or "New World Order "grubberment"
tash: Hi skizit, I have watched all your videos on youtube and cant thank you enough for all you have educated me on. I cry for you alot and a bit for me. I was wanting to send you photos of what is raining down everyday here in Australia in hope you can tell me
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tash: not sure where to send them as hush mail and rocket mail bounced back
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